Monday, May 2, 2011

Top 10 Biblical Prophecy FAILS.


If the bible is to be accepted as divine, then it is reasonable to assume that it's prophecies will be unfailing. Divine and omniscient power can't save the bible from being horribly transparent when it comes to the man made origins of it's "prophecies".

Not even modern apologetics can explain some of these horrible prognostications.

Christians love to point to prophecy in the bible as evidence for it's divinity, but their prophecies usually lie in one of two categories. The first is a prophecy that is vague enough and common enough to apply to something modern day if you look hard enough (and they usually can be applied to many different incidents across history if interpreted with bible coloured glasses long enough).
A great example of this would be Isaiah 13:13;

"Therefore I will make the heavens tremble; and the earth will shake from its place at the wrath of the LORD Almighty, in the day of his burning anger."

A Christian might claim that the earthquake in Japan was the fulfillment of that prophecy and take this as evidence of coming end times. However this could just as easily applied to ANY major earthquake in the earth's history. It is a vague enough example of a common occurrence that it is easily claimed as a fulfilled "prophecy" when it is really just confirmation biased interpretation. 

The second is a prophecy that is a "no brainer". This is a prophecy whose fulfillment is inevitable. Take, for example, any prophecy that Christians cite as predicting the unrest in the Middle East. Is this common claim a difficult one to make "prophecy" about?  Isn't it pretty obvious that there will be numerous wars in that historically war torn geographical area? Couldn't any of us make nonsense predictions like this and then claim godly inspiration after the virtually inescapable has happened? This kind of "prophecy" is a no brainer that doesn't require a "touch of the divine" to reveal it's likelihood, and is not the sort that we will deal with today.

We will look at prophecies that are specific in their subject and pointed in their prophecy.  Only one is needed to rule out divine authorship but I will give you 10 just to be sure.

10 different sorts of FAILURE.  

Here are 10 of the best failed prophecies from the bible.  These are prophecies that are specific enough to be verified or debunked at a simple glance.

Have fun reading!

Top 10 Bible Prophecy FAILS

 1.Isaiah 17:1 
"An oracle concerning Damascus: See, Damascus will no longer be a city but will become a heap of ruins."
 FAIL:  Damascus is generally considered the oldest continuously inhabited city in the world and it is still inhabited today with almost two million people.  Never in it's history was never a time where it ceased to be a city.  How did the "Lord Almighty" miss that one? Two million people is not exactly a "Where's Waldo".


2.Isaiah 19:4-5

"I will hand the Egyptians over to the power of a cruel master, and a fierce king will rule over them, declares the Lord, the LORD Almighty. The waters of the river will dry up, and the riverbed will be parched and dry."

FAIL: The river mentioned here is the Nile which has never dried up in since historians began to keep records of such things (nor even in the oral record of times before).  How does an omniscient being miss one of the largest rivers in the world?  Once he realized it wasn't going to dry up, couldn't he just have willed it to happen just to keep his rep intact?  Guess me must have forgotten about this one. 

3.  Isaiah 52:1

"Awake, awake, O Zion, clothe yourself with strength. Put on your garments of splendor, O Jerusalem, the holy city. The uncircumcised and defiled will not enter you again."
FAIL: Um, there is currently no restriction on uncircumcised men entering the city. How would you even pass such a law, let alone enforce it?  It is hard enough getting people to accept the airport scanners without telling them they have to whip it out for an official "ant-eater" hunt too.


4.   Ezekiel 30:10-11


 "This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I will put an end to the hordes of Egypt by the hand of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon. He and his army - the most ruthless of nations - will be brought in to destroy the land. They will draw their swords against Egypt and fill the land with the slain."

FAIL: Ezekiel predicts that Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon will conquer Egypt filling it's borders with the slain. In 568 BCE Nebuchadnezzar attempted to conquer Egypt without success. Egypt's king ruled for another generation and outlived Nebuchadnezzar thereby escaping the fulfillment of this prophecy. The Egyptians were not scattered or dispersed or slain in droves across the lands.

5.   Ezekiel 29:10-11


"therefore I am against you and against your streams,and I will make the land of Egypt a ruin and a desolate waste from Migdol to Aswan, as far as the border of Cush. The foot of neither man nor beast will pass through it; no one will live there for forty years."

FAIL: Egypt has NEVER been uninhabited, let alone for forty years, in it's history (since it's inception). It is currently inhabited by almost 80 million people.

6   .Matthew 16:28, Matthew 23:36, Matthew 24:34

16:28
"I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."
23:36
"I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation."
24:34
"I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened."
FAIL: Jesus says very clearly that the things that would demarcate the end of the world would be fulfilled before that era's current generation passed away.  He said that  it would happen before the people that were standing in front of him "tasted death". That was 2000 years ago.  Either he is a terrible prognosticator, or he is habitually late.  SO late in fact that people die and a hundred generations can pass before he remembers his promises. I think that being 2000 years late qualifies this one as FAILED.


7.   Isaiah 7:14
"Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold,a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel."
FAIL: It is Christian tradition to accept that Jesus was born to a virgin. This is a translation error but it merits being mentioned. The "virgin" in this verse is a mistranslation of the Hebrew word "almah", which means "young woman".  A young woman is not necessarily a virgin. "Bethulah" would have been the correct word to use if the author meant virgin. Now on to the prophecy... nowhere in the New Testament is Jesus referred to as Immanuel.  Can't the writers even fulfill prophecy that was in earlier chapters of their own book??  So either Jesus wasn't that son, or he has a brother that hasn't come yet whose name is Immanuel, or this one is total nonsense.  Either way, the prophecy is left unfulfilled.  I can't get over how the bible's editors let this one slip by.  JK Rowling would never stand for this. 

8.   Matthew 2:23

 "And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene."
FAIL: Nowhere in the Old Testament is such a prophecy found, so how could such a one be fulfilled? Why talk about a divine prophecy that isn't even found in the "inerrant" word of that divinity?

9.    Genesis 4:12

"When you cultivate the ground, it will no longer yield its strength to you; you will be a vagrant and a wanderer on the earth."
FAIL: As a punishment for killing Abel, God says Cain will be "a fugitive and a vagabond." Seems like a pretty light punishment for murder but looks like God can't even hold this "prophecy" true. In a mere four verses later (4:16-17) Cain settles down, marries, has a son, and is the founder of his very own city. This is a pretty sweet deal for a fugitive and a vagabond.  I am pretty sure that there is not criminal on the face of the earth who wouldn't accept THAT as punishment for their crime. I can see it now. "Oh yea God, you done me good!  I learned my lesson.  I wish that I could live in my own filth on the run from the law like all my other vagabond/fugitive friends instead of living with my family and having my own city.  This is BS! I truly regret my crimes *wink wink*"


10. 2 Samuel 7:16 
 "Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me; your throne will be established forever.”
FAIL: God says that David's kingdom will last forever. By forever he must have meant 400 years.  I mean, what would David know then?  He would be dead. So he allowed it to be destroyed about 400 years after Solomon's death, never to be rebuilt.  So does forever=400 years? 
 
If your answer is no (and grade 1 math reveals that "no" IS the answer) then we can see the inerrant bible revealed for what it is....
 
.....The writings of men, and completely fallible.
 
I just want to point out that I am not interested in debating other prophecies at this point.  If the bible is divine, it shouldn't be this easy to pick 10 and debunk them almost effortlessly.
 
If this isn't evidence against the divinity of the terrible book called the bible, I don't know what is.
 
Peace











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8 comments:

  1. I also like your presentation. The right combination of humor and derision, compassion and comprehension for my taste.

    Isn't it interesting that there is more evidence in Mein Kampf supporting Hitler's claim to piety than there is in the Bible supporting any claim to divine inspiration and yet... Well, we know where that goes, don't we?

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  2. 1,2 - Isaiah was written as a series of promises given to the Jews of vengeance upon all their enemies and betrayers whilst they were in captivity, to give them hope and let them know that their god hadn't abandoned them. All of these follow a pattern of near future, and far future. These fall into the far future part of the pattern.

    3 - Prophecy also indicates that Jews won't be persecuted anymore. Why would one happen without the other? Oh yeah, Christian doctrine espouses that *THEY* are Jews or "children of abraham", and the 'Millennial Kingdom' will include a 'new jerusalem' (revelations) which will be populated by men and women of 'circumcised hearts' (paul's epistles). Sounds like a run around, but they wrote all of that before you complained about it.

    4 - This is actually your best shot, but the writings pertaining to his invasion are one-sided at best, and unreliably fragmentary at worst - this particular prophecy pertains to the defeat of an army - the rest is exaggerated "trash talk", so to speak. You see a lot of it in war time writings of the time. Which you would know. If you didn't just copy and paste an "error".

    5 - see 1,2

    6 - Matthew 16:28 says they will not taste death before seeing the Kingdom of heaven. God's kingdom is on Earth and Heaven. This is a promise of immortality through faith.

    Matthew 36 is a part of a larger statement where Jesus says he's going to send a bunch of people to Jerusalem who will be persecuted and killed for their faith. That actually happened to the early Church in the first century...so, prophecy fulfilled?

    Matthew 24 as a whole self references its time period to that of the "Second Coming". "So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." The generation that sees these things. Jesus generation didn't see any of those things. So, wrong generation.

    7 - Clearly, you're fond of reading other websites instead of mastering ancient languages. The Hebrew word "almah" carries two separate meanings - young woman AND virgin. Imagine if Mary was a young woman AND a virgin. It's almost...prophetic. lol

    8 - It's also widely accepted that the Jews have written things that aren't in the Bible. Probably whole sentences, in fact. This happens to be citing something we no longer have or that is not part of the canon.

    9 - He was an outcast from his family and his loved ones, forced to work the earth for sustenance alone for at LEAST twenty years. You'll have to pardon God for being merciful and not making him do it for 6 or 700 by himself. Oh, and in case it seems too light a punishment, all of his grandchildren would have been exterminated by the flood, if you take the text literally.

    10 - For reals? A 'house' in the ancient Hebrew sense implied one's descendants, as well - Jesus being his descendant, this one would stand on its own fairly easily if the faith is true.


    I don't actually care that much, since you're not going to listen anyways. Got anymore? I'm bored and would be happy to help. =D

    *when one reads Scripture, it's helpful to remember the numbers and chapters were added long after the writings were completed - oftentimes, thoughts carry over from previous "verses". Its important to read a whole chapter, sometimes even a book.

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  3. *4 Oh yeah, and I forgot to mention that those fragments which we DO have state that Nebuchadnezzar defeated the Egyptian king Necho II, and successfully invaded Egypt. He never conquered it, outright, but that's not what the prophecy says. It says he killed a whole mess of Egyptians, doesn't it?

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    1. And that is a blatant lie. It DOES say that he will CONQUER Egypt AND slay a lot of Egyptians. He didn't conquer it, so the prophecy is failed. Halfway doesn't count when it comes to prophecy my friend.

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  4. Wow, that is a lot of excuses made to force the bible's square peg into histories round hole.

    Sad.

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    1. While I'm in complete support for the critical reading of the Bible, your answer to this man is what is wrong with this new wave of atheists. Instead of giving him a decent answer (the man had obviously taken his time writing his), you simply call him a sad apologist.

      As a fellow (unfortunately, in this case) atheist, I find you sad. Not accepting counterarguments and refusing a debate over something you clearly care about makes you no better than the group of believers you seek to "destroy".

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    2. I actually find your answer a quick and easy way to make yourself feel superior to others.

      If you wish me to answer his specific (very poor) arguments, just say so. Insults are not necessary.

      It has nothing to do with not accepting counter-arguments, it has to do with responding to only reasonable ones.

      Just as I no longer really respond to science deniers ill informed arguments, I find myself with little motivation to respond to such nonsense as his argument against number 6. It is a very clear prophecy, and the only real answer IS that he is interpreting that verse and giving it meaning so as to fit a square peg into a round hole (As I put it). Nothing to do with intellectual dishonesty, but it is not wasting my time with nonsense. Even the bible instructs not to interpret the verses, but to take them literally when Jesus says "The word is not a matter of personal interpretation". (2 Peter 1:20). Or the nonsense that he argues against #10. No one said his "house" meant anything but his kingdom. David's "House" did not rule that "kingdom" past 400 years. SO I was right and his attempt to pass of a strawman as a proper argument was feeble at best. Or how about where is implies that God lied to the jews just to give them hope. That God didn't really MEAN what he said about Damascus. Come on now. I am supposed to debate that nonsense? He SAID that it would be destroyed and cease to be a city, it never was. FAIL. QED.

      This type of dishonest argument rarely elicits a response from me, as it is a waste of everyone's time.

      I answer it only to appease someone who purports to espouse skepticism (albiet in an insulting and non-contructive way). I have answered only to answer your critique Lars, and not to lend credence to nonsensical answers by pretending they are worthy of debate.

      In each case he interprets or dismisses the prophecy with his subjective take on things without basis of evidence, ONLY so that he can have his "infallible" bible, and to keep the cognitive dissonance from keeping him awake at night.

      As for you Lars, shame on you for lending such arguments credence by suggesting they require answers.

      Do you also publicly debate people who say "It's only a theory"? Or do you instruct them to read up on the subject that they wish to debate before they try to actually debate?

      Answer seems easy to me. Either way, you got your way.

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  5. Damascus just hasn't been destroyed yet.

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